22 7월 Glaucon isn’t persuaded of the arguments in the previous discussion (357a)
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The guy divides good stuff on around three kinds: anything a good in themselves, things a beneficial in on their own and also for the effects, and you will anything a great only for its outcomes (357b-d). Socrates metropolitan areas fairness from the family of some thing an excellent in themselves and the consequences.
Glaucon renews Thrasymachus' dispute in order to difficulties Socrates to guard justice because of the by itself as a given off what comes from it (358b ff.). Glaucon offers a presentation safeguarding injustice: (i) fairness develop because the a damage ranging from weakened individuals who are scared one to suffering injustice was bad than simply carrying it out (358e-359a); (ii) anyone work justly since this is required and you may unavoidable, so fairness is good just for its effects (tale of one's band regarding Gyges' ancestor, 359c-360d); (iii) the brand new unfair people into reputation of justice was happier than simply the fresh new simply person on history of injustice (360d-362c).
Adeimantus expands Glaucon's coverage regarding injustice and you will attack towards fairness of the asserting: the latest reputation for fairness is preferable to fairness by itself, therefore the unfair person who can keep the profile to be merely could well be happier compared to the merely people; discussion of numerous ways in which the fresh new unjust can obtain the reputation to own justice (362d-366d).